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Tag View - Display oddities - Wheel_nut - 06-24-2021

Two Observations of oddities with the display of the Music Library in Tag View:
  1. I have a few CDs which did not find applicable descriptors in the database when ripped to FLAC. I have edited the CD Titles and Track Titles manually. This works jist fine in Folder View and both, the CD Title and Track Titles are displayed correctly. So far so good ...

    However when displayed in Tag View, all of these CDs appear as "Unknown AlbumArtist" and all of the Tracks appear as "Unknown Title". I would have expected Tag View to have picked up the CD Title from the Folder Name and the Track Titles from the FLAC Filename.

  2. All of my Album Thumbnails are displayed as the MoOde Logo thumbnail. I have tried regenerating the Thumbnails to no avail. I suspect that this is finger trouble on my part but haven't been able to find what I am doing wrong Confused Huh 
Not really a Problem - just observations, so Mods feel free to change my selected Prefix.

Robin

RE: Tag View - Display oddities - TheOldPresbyope - 06-24-2021

@Wheel_nut

Tag view is based on, ahem, metadata tags, not on directory names/structures or on track-file names.

Have a look at your metadata. Example, here's Tim's stereo test file as seen by the mediainfo command

Code:
pi@moodey:/mnt/SDCARD/Stereo Test $ mediainfo LR*
General
Complete name                            : LRMonoPhase4.flac
Format                                   : FLAC
Format/Info                              : Free Lossless Audio Codec
File size                                : 2.02 MiB
Duration                                 : 38 s 761 ms
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 438 kb/s
Album                                    : Stereo Test
Album/Performer                          : Koz
Track name                               : LR Channel And Phase
Track name/Position                      : 1
Track name/Total                         : 1
Performer                                : Koz
Genre                                    : Utilities
Recorded date                            : 1997
Writing application                      : X Lossless Decoder 20161007
Cover                                    : Yes
Cover type                               : Cover (front)
Cover MIME                               : image/png
TITLESORT                                : LR Channel And Phase
ARTISTSORT                               : Koz
ALBUMSORT                                : Stereo Test
...

If you not embedding coverart in your tracks then you have to have the image file placed in the same directory with the generic basename ( Cover | cover | Folder | folder) and an appropriate type/extension ( gif | jpg | jpeg | png | tif | tiff). 

In my own collection almost all track files have embedded coverart so I can use them elsewhere; I settled on "Cover.jpg" for the few exceptions where I use a coverart file.


Regards,
Kent

RE: Tag View - Display oddities - Tim Curtis - 06-24-2021

Another way to display the tags that MPD has successfully indeed is to click on a track in Folder, Tag or Album view or in the Play Queue and then click "Audio info" on the context menu.

RE: Tag View - Display oddities - TheOldPresbyope - 06-24-2021

Oh, sure, make it easy. 

Trouble is I'm too old and set in my ways Tongue  WebUI, schwebUI, I reach for command-line tools every time. I can almost hear that trusty Teletype ASR33 chattering away as I type.

Regards,
Kent

RE: Tag View - Display oddities - the_bertrum - 06-25-2021

(06-24-2021, 05:20 PM)TheOldPresbyope Wrote: Oh, sure, make it easy. 

Trouble is I'm too old and set in my ways Tongue  WebUI, schwebUI, I reach for command-line tools every time. I can almost hear that trusty Teletype ASR33 chattering away as I type.

Regards,
Kent

I'd like to see these youngsters produce a list all the empty AlbumArtist tags with their fancy GUI Wink

RE: Tag View - Display oddities - Wheel_nut - 06-25-2021

(06-24-2021, 03:51 PM)TheOldPresbyope Wrote: @Wheel_nut

Tag view is based on, ahem, metadata tags, not on directory names/structures or on track-file names.

........
Regards,
Kent
Hi Kent, Thank you for your explanation. I really had no idea that "Tag View" referred to the Metadata tag info and I am not enlightened enough to really understand the architecture and implementation of MoOde. My competence is limited to a "User" perspective and my observations are purely of the Usability as I perceive it.

You can probably tell that I am discovering both function and usability features as I play with my new toy. I should confess to having come to MoOde via Volumio and am quite overwhelmed at the functionality and usability of MoOde. This is a journey which I am enjoying rather than a dash to a destination.


(06-24-2021, 04:34 PM)Tim Curtis Wrote: Another way to display the tags that MPD has successfully indeed is to click on a track in Folder, Tag or Album view or in the Play Queue and then click "Audio info" on the context menu.

Hi again Tim, Yes, I did discover the Audio info button during me exploration of the User Interface. I was hoping that if there was no Tag Data, then MoOde would revert to the Folder and Filename descriptors rather than "Unknown AlbumArtist", "Unknown Album" and "Unknown Title". Please understand that this is the view of a "User" with little or no appreciation of the challenges invoved in achieving the end result. Blush Huh Rolleyes 

Keep up the good work! I love what you have achieved with MoOde.

Robin

RE: Tag View - Display oddities - Tim Curtis - 06-25-2021

Given that Tagging is so easy and highly automated in ripping/downloading apps, falling back to using parts of the underlying directory/file structure for missing tags is completely unnecessary.

RE: Tag View - Display oddities - TheOldPresbyope - 06-25-2021

@Wheel_nut

Basically there's only two instances in which I use the Library Folder view:

1) When I add tracks to the SDCard or to an already-attached USB thumbdrive on a running moOde player. I can tell moOde/MPD to update just the affected folder rather than the entire Library, which usually saves considerable time. (Note: "update the Folder" is shorthand for "update the MPD database based on the tracks MPD finds in the folder and any subfolders". The Folder view is not a general file-explorer view and won't show any non-audio files.)

2) When the Library contains test tracks from elsewhere which don't have suitable metadata I can drill down to play the tracks for testing purposes.

Otherwise, it's Tag or Album view all the time for me. It's been nearly 2 decades since I had a music player which could display only "01 - The Rolling Stones - Sympathy For the Devil (Remastered)" based on the track filename.

Regards,
Kent

RE: Tag View - Display oddities - Wheel_nut - 06-25-2021

(06-25-2021, 06:38 PM)Tim Curtis Wrote: Given that Tagging is so easy and highly automated in ripping/downloading apps, falling back to using parts of the underlying directory/file structure for missing tags is completely unnecessary.
 
Tim, I agree and I think I need to find out how to tag Albums which don't find Metadata automatically when ripped using Fre:ac. That can be my next sub-project!

(06-25-2021, 08:02 PM)TheOldPresbyope Wrote: . . . . . . . . . . .  It's been nearly 2 decades since I had a music player which could display only "01 - The Rolling Stones - Sympathy For the Devil (Remastered)" based on the track filename.

Is that because it should be "03 - The Rolling Stones - Sympathy For the Devil" - see attached pic .... Tongue
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RE: Tag View - Display oddities - TheOldPresbyope - 06-25-2021

Told you I was old.